Video of August 19, 2006 Meeting
It has been a year
and the people who took over still have not produced on piece of evidence
of wrongdoing. This meeting of 8/19/06 and the empting of our offices of
8/27/06 is what brought us into court.
James Ellis et al
have talked about how we choose what we published from the video. They
made a video that same day but why have they NOT presented it for you to
see their allegations?
There was nothing on the agenda mentioning any charges
filed against those who are not the Plaintiffs which now have
two court orders supporting them.
| If Elders Carlino and Dee were not
part of the take over, they assisted by not listening to the concerns
of the past when James Ellis was in question. They were very seldom
around for activities but never acknowledged the concerns of Chief
Summers, Vice Chief Watson and Council when it was brought to them
about James Ellis. |
Below is the complete meeting. Each clip overlaps about
10 to 20 seconds so you can see there is nothing missing for 7 hours, 10
minutes of the meeting.
Click here for clips
only
For those who do not know the people
involved:
 |
Names in Blue
with Comments in yellow are
people we know
support the Western Cherokee as an Organized group. |
|
Names in Red
with Comments in Red are
people who ARE
PART of a court filing saying they believe the Western Cherokee is an
Unincorporated Association and asked the court to represent
you without your consent. See the
names of those part of this |
|
filing byby
clicking here |
|
NOTES are in Powder Blue |
August 19, 2006, part 1 (61 min.) Real Audio.
Meeting
00:00 Prayer
04:45 Reading of minutes
33:45 Laurie Spencer
reads a letter from Elder Bea
Foster. NOTE, She says
nothing of resignation but does speak about issues she has not been around
to know about, therefore she is speaking on hearsay. Elder Bea's
letter states she and Elder Elmo will not resign, but Elder Elmo Foster
had is deceased some time back.
Neither Carlo Carlino or Diane
Dee called Chief Summers, Vice Chief Watson, Council persons Jeff Cover,
Ron Quick or Barb Emmons on any of these issues below.
Both of these two are
speaking from hearsay.
35:30 Diane Dee, (companion of Carlo
Carlino) speaks on her not being
informed about things until after they are done
NOTE, This is not within our
Constitution,
WC Constitution does not cover
informing Elders, this has always been done at the next meeting
and Council has always passed things between meeting which James Ellis was
Council Speaker. She uses hearsay as a way of presenting it as evidence.
She brings up spreading our dirty
laundry over the internet which in reality James Ellis and Gail
McElfresh's
postings that made it where we had to
respond.
39:30 Carlo Carlino,
companion of Diane Dee speaks on
allegations which he admits he did not know the truth on which make it
nothing more than hearsay. The confidentiality agreements that he wanted
everyone to sign a few years ago he speaks of were signed by everyone but
James Ellis which Mr. Ellis refused to sign.
NOTE, Council discovered Carlo
Carlino
did not have a file on record.
60:00 Elder Horton
speaks on how in times of
tribulation people seem to come out of the woodwork. That we need this
kind of involvement all of the time because we might not get into these
situations if people were around.
August 19,
2006, part 2 (60 min.) Real Audio
00:00 Elder Horton overlay 01:20
01:20 Elder Horton continued. There are
people who want to talk the talk but do not want to walk the walk. People
need to be here for the right reasons and walking in right relations with
all our relations.
BETTER ANGLE
August 19, 2006, from
the public angle (51 min.) Real Audio (This segment is an angle
from the audience but the group which creates so many problems this day
turns it off at times and even unplugs it.)
Anyone who has ever been to any kind of meeting or has been part of
a meeting knows you deal with each issue separately. James Ellis et al
takes the entire meeting and confuses everything to were it is impossible
to keep up with the allegations which to this day, a year later they have
produced no evidence of wrongdoing.
05:00 Concerns from the
Executive Office, this was
place on the agenda by Councilwoman Barb Emmons for Vice Chief Watson to
discuss the problems in enrollment and the office.
James Ellis uses this to take over
the meeting when later he admits it was Barb Emmons (See pt.2,
34:10). This being placed on the agenda by Ms. Emmons, Mr. Ellis does not
address Ms. Emmons and from this point on it becomes his meeting, ignoring
everything. Mr. Ellis and his group flat out ignore everything our
Chief, Vice Chief and Council say.
James Ellis calls for a to 10
minute recess while he puts together his plan
17:00 Vernon Strickland (member)
mentions that help is needed in the kitchen.
19:00 Deana Hennington speaks on how
meeting are to be help, she had not been to a meeting in some five years.
22:30 James Ellis
takes Vice Chief Watson's agenda
issue, placed on agenda by Barb Emmons and uses it as his agenda item.
23:45 James Ellis
talks about Special Meeting that
Council declined having. Mentioning the files which Mr. Ellis demande and
had no right to, he brings up the argument he had with Vice Chief. Lets
the people know the offices were locked.
NOTE, he does not mention
that it was passed by majority vote due to James Ellis refusing to abide
by his suspension.
26:30 James Ellis
speaks on contract between (Tim
Spencer, James Ellis wrote) the Tribe (NOTE,
their filing as a Unincorporated Association which is not a tribe and
has serious legal risks)
and Non-Profit.
NOTE, The Defendants have ignored
the Federal Court Order stating: The defendants, the Western Cherokee,
represented by Roy Meeks, claims to support a tribal entity that was
incorporated as a non-profit corporation in Missouri, with Council members
consisting of Jerry Summers, James Ellis, Tim Sanders, Kelly Bernal, John
Watson, Curtis Sumner, Tim Spencer, and Janet Smith. James Ellis has a
point to his argument but fails to mention he was Council Speaker and
never mentioned it until he needed it to benefit him and that Legally the
a Federal Court had already made the
desicion
that we are a Non-Profit Corp.
28:50 James Ellis
claims the resolution order
members not to go on Western Cherokee property,
NOTE, he fails to tell the people
it was James Ellis and Gail McElfresh were the only ones not allowed on
property unless it was an event or approved by the Chief or Council, this
was to protect Western Cherokee properties and due to Mr. Ellis ignoring
all actions of Council He
goes on to claim every Resolution Council passed was not valid.
29:40 James Ellis
claims he was not given due
process NOTE, his due
process was to take place the day of this meeting and his charges against
James Ellis,
other charges
and
Gail McElfresh,
other charges
and was not given the charges filed which is flat out, not true. Council
has evidence to the contrary.
33:30 James Ellis
goes on with some of his concerns
of the Power of Attorney (POA).
Councilman Jeff Cover says this
should be brought out in the hearing.
NOTE, it is a matter of record
Council did not see a problem with the
POA
after asking about it. The
POA was VERY limited and
had to have Chief Summers approval each and every time it was used. James
Ellis never talked with Chief Summers on this issue.
34:10 James Ellis
brings up the Concerns from the
Executive Office and says it was place on the agenda by Barb Emmons.
NOTE, James Ellis never asked Ms.
Emmons or give her a chance to speak on her issue.
Completely Out Of
Order on James Ellis's
part and ignores Jeff Cover.
34:25 Vice Chief Watson
lets James Ellis know that he had
Barb Emmons place it on the agenda. Tim Spencer admits the Contract
was written by him and James Ellis.
35:50 James Ellis
ignores Vice Chief and still does
not recognizeas him as having the flood on the agenda item.
James Ellis speaks on Chief Summers Executive Decision to protect
the WC Constitution.
38:50 James Ellis
brings up the Power of Attorney
and mention Vice Chief told him he needed to talk with the Chief if he
wanted answers to his questions.
39:35 Vice Chief Watson
explains reminds James Ellis he
said, he needed to speak with the Chief.
James Ellis pretty much
calls Vice Chief a lier.
39:40 James Ellis
claims he tried contacting Chief
Summers.
40:30 Chief Summers
explains he did talk with James
Ellis, James Ellis talks
over our Chief off and pretty much calls Chief Summers a lier.
Chief Summers mentions that
Council had informed him of problems that they knew of.
42:30 Councilwoman Emmons
says she talked with Chief Summers
about James Ellis and calls.
James Ellis plays semantics with
Chief Summers. Carlo Carlino asked that things be kept in order.
44:05 James Ellis
talks about agenda of June meeting
and why he did not put the issue of the
Power of Attorney
on the agenda NOTE,
James Ellis made up the agenda and
did not have it on the April, June or August meeting agendas. Council had
discussed this issue and did not see it as an issue, James Ellis wanted to
make it an issue. There are serious legal issues for a person who uses a
POA in a way that is not
authorized, James Ellis had ignored this issue when Council tried
explaining it to him. Second, to protect the person holding a POA it is
not something that is made public, very few people ever know of when
someone has another's POA.
45:20 Vernon Strickland (member)
brings up how he would like
the connectivity of Mr. Ellis's concerns.
NOTE, Mr. Ellis does not say on
any issue for very long and calls everyone who disagrees with him as not
being honest and not allowing time for questions on each issue.
45:50 James Ellis
goes back to phone conversation
and claims it all goes together and he did call Chief Summers back.
45:50 James Ellis
goes on with allegations which are
based on the locking down of the offices
NOTE, offices were locked due to
James Ellis refusing to abide by Council directives and allegations made,
Chief and Council
did this to protect WC property.
49:55 James Ellis
talks about Chief Summers Order to
put the records of Officials to put them in safe keeping so the
could not be tampered with.
NOTE, Chief Summers knew we had some problems and signed the Executive
Decision in the case it was needed, with James Ellis not following Council
Directives and issues of Enrolment files missing, Chief Summers acted on
the Decision right after James Ellis refused a Council directive.
Councilman Quick has the report on that issue.
50:50 Vice Chief Watson
asked that personal
comments be kept out of his arguments.
51:30 James Ellis
states he is supposed to know of
everything. Then starts in on an employee. James Ellis claims she
is not part of enrollment. NOTE,
Geneva Merritt had this employee do much of her work. James Ellis brings
up issues which should legally be done in closed session.
James Ellis claims he has evidence
of wrongdoing but presents nothing.
52:50 Councilwoman Emmons
tries to explain this to James
Ellis.
52:58 James Ellis say No.
Tim Spencer yells
you want a riot
try it.
53:05 Vernon Strickland (member)
mentions we need to go into
closed session.
53:07 Associates of the Defendant
start yelling, James Ellis says,
Woo, Woo, Woo. please let me read you an article here, I have the floor.
Speaks on recall but refuses to
listen to the fact our Constitution could put us in legal issues by
mentioning employees in an open meeting and this issue was not on the
agenda for her to be prepared for it. Also this employee had not been
charges with any wrongdoing.
James Ellis states this is not a
hearing but concerns of himself.
It has always been a meeting for
the Western Cherokee,
this is the first time a meeting was about James Ellis's concerns.
50:50 Chief Summers
says people need to be removed if
they cannot keep it under control.
54:00 Diane Dee
says Chief Summers is wrong.
NOTE, Chief Summers wanted to keep
things under control, people were yelling, threatening riot, and the
others thing which have happened by saying the people need to be heard.
54:00 James Gowan (Not a Member)
starts yelling at Chief Summers,
shoved a spear in his face.
54:50 Vice Chief Watson
says James Gowan needs to
be removed
55:00 James Ellis
says no one is going to be
removed, Tim Spencer says get control or I will. Deana
Hennington ask to speak,
Tim Spencer
yells, who are you.
55:50 Vice Chief Watson
tried to privately talk
with James Ellis about our Constitution may violate civil liberty rights.
James Ellis ignores him and says
could you tell everybody but Vice Chief is not given the chance.
56:15 Carlo Carlino
talks about anger. Asks Vice Chief
to give these people the benefit of doubt.
60:25 James Ellis
says his linage has been in
question. NOTE, it was
discovered by Geneva Merritt who told council members that Mr. Ellis did
not have a file in the office. Another concern has arose to where James
Ellis's holds his loyalty, the Western Cherokee or the WCNAM which we
separated from in 2001. James Ellis runs a MSN web-site called Cherokee
Nation Contact. He has had since 2001 to change the page called
Enrollment List but to this date he still says he is a member of the
Western Cherokee Nation Of Ar. &
Mo. while there is a place to edit your information.
Click here to see this page in PDF format.
August 19, 2006, part 3 (60 min.) Real Audio
00:00 James Ellis continued 1 min. overlay.
00:01 James Ellis
says his linage has been in
question NOTE, it was found
he did not have a file in the office which he told Barb Emmons at Powwow.
He claims the Executive Office is to blame for this. (SEE NOTE ABOVE)
03:20 James Ellis
goes into how the Non-Profit is
taking over. Makes allegations of wrongdoing and talks about the
locked doors.
04:55 James Ellis
talks about Vice Chief Watson and
the items he has in his business and the accountability of those items but
he doesn't believe Vice Chief has stolen anything
BETTER ANGLE
August 19, 2006, from
the public angle (32 min.) Real Audio (This segment is an angle
from the audience but the group which creates so many problems this day
turns it off at times and even unplugs it.)
08:20 Carman McDonald (volunteer and helped
Vice Chief in his store)
show accountability and that
James Ellis took blankets without
paying for them. James
Ellis admits to taking 2 blankets without paying.
11:05 James Ellis
cut Carman McDonald off saying he
was talking about accountability.
Carman gets upset with Mr. Ellis
because he is trying to sidestep the issue.
NOTE, it was not a secret that
Vice Chief was selling the blankets and there were no sales and no one
asked about them. Just another thing to bring doubt in people minds.
11:10 Carlo Carlino
supports James Ellis's feeling and
mentions there needs to be a paper trail.
NOTE, Carman McDonald was trying
to show the paper trail but was ignored.
14:10 Vice Chief Watson
speaks on his contributions to the
Western Cherokee, about the allegations without evidence being presented.
15:00 Vice Chief Watson
brings up the rumor Carlo
Carlino
started and James Ellis was spreading around. Vice Chief reads a letter
from the people who Mr.
Carlino said Vice Chief
insulted. NOTE,
Read letter that was read by Vice
Chief stating the rumor he started was false.
20:00 James Ellis states that was one of
his charges.
52:15 Councilwoman Emmons and Councilman
Cover
both make motions to break
for lunch. James
Ellis ignores the motion. James Ellis calls on Gail McElfresh, Council
votes, James Ellis ignores the vote.
21:50 Gail McElfresh (treasurer on
suspension) (See hour 5, 19:20 min.
Roberta Miller) reads her allegations.
NOTE, It has been a year and no
evidence has been presented to the court or the people of any wrongdoing.
She reads a letter from our CPA stating it as if it was the law.
26:25 James Ellis
call for lunch
break.
28:50 Gail McElfresh (treasurer on
suspension) continues with allegations.
NOTE, no evidence of wrongdoing
was brought forward that day and today, a year later no evidence has been
brought forward.
40:45 Geneva Merritt
claims Vice Chief threatened a
member. Vice Chief says he
advised the member about he might wish to contact an attorney before
signing the petition. Ms.
Merritt claims Vice Chief threatened her in an email.
NOTE, no evidence of wrongdoing
was brought forward that day and today, a year later no evidence has been
brought forward.
43:45 James Ellis
talks about checking accounts and
why the change of names was never done. Gail took the position of
treasurer in Feb. 2006,
NOTE, she
placed her resignation later that
month. Vice Chief makes
it clear there have been no checks written that have not been authorized.
NOTE, no evidence of wrongdoing
was brought forward that day and today, a year later no evidence has been
brought forward.
45:25 James Ellis
makes allegation of
misappropriation of funds concerning the RV and then admits did vote to
pass the resolution. Vice
Chief states James Ellis does not seem to be happy with the approvals that
have been made. NOTE, no
evidence of wrongdoing was brought forward and James Ellis admits to
approving the funding.
47:10 Councilwoman Emmons, Cover seconds
a motion to to adjourn into the
Hearing of Allegations and Recall. James
Ellis says no and those who
have created trouble say no. James Ellis
goes on to say we are deal with
the Executive Order right now. Carlo Carlino
says he hopes for a peaceful
resolution.
48:30 Vice Chief Watson
says he has no problem hearing the
people, says there is a problem with the allegations with no merit because
there is no evidence. Vice Chief mentions some of the people here have
stolen records, tried stealing our web-site, and other things which we
have proof of. Asks what is really trying to be accomplished here.
49:35 Tim Spencer (no records in
office because his wife removed them)
Charges Vice Chief w/Arrow,
breaks it and throws it, hitting Chief and Vice Chief.
50:25 James Ellis
about records that are missing
making allegation of wrongdoing.
NOTE, no evidence of wrongdoing
was brought forward and James Ellis doesn't mention Shawna Ellis and
Geneva Merritt were in charge of Enrollment.
50:40 Vice Chief Watson
mentions that James Ellis wanted
the employee he had all the concerns about to open the door to enrollment
after Council said she should not be responsible for volunteers.
51:45 Carlo Carlino
asks if records are protected.
Vice Chief
says yes they are. Carlo corners
Vice Chief NOTE, Shawna
Ellis is James Ellis's wife and Vice Chief cannot control herand those in
Enrollment. Vice Chief says
we are doing our best with our budget.
NOTE, James Ellis and Gail
McElfresh wanted access to Enrollment office after it was locked.
54:00 Vice Chief Watson
tries to explain we are doing the
best possible but James Ellis is always in the way. Carlo
Carlino
cannot seem to be made happy, but doesn't seem to care about that.
Carlo believes the people who are
causing problems should be heard when they will not listen to anything,
they yell when things are said they don't like etc.
54:55 Carlo Carlino
Carlo mentions resources of the
tribe to cut people down and refuses to look at it being James Ellis which
he admits to later when he says he used Voter Registration List to contact
members to gain support.
NOTE, This has been a problem for years, Carlo would say he gave something
to someone in the governing body but would never mention the name if it is
James Ellis leaving Council in wonder of whom it was. Carlo shows he had
already made up his mind which is something an Elder never does without
being shown proof. Carlo had been given NO evidence and will not listen to
our Chief and Vice Chief.
57:20 James Ellis
complains about how enrollment had
locks put on the door.
Carlo brings up Council not knowing the Constitution but claims they all
said they never read it, this in not true to the words of Council.
47:10 Councilwoman Emmons
reminds James Ellis she made a
motion, James Ellis
says, he didn't realize there was
a call for a motion and ignores Ms. Emmons and goes on.
58:50 Diane Dee
changes subject about the office
being locked. NOTE, She
knew the office was locked because James Ellis would not follow a Council
directive.
60:20 Vice Chief Watson
explains why the office is locked
and why Council approved the office being locked.
NOTE. It was due to James Ellis
refusing to abide by Council directive.
August 19,
2006, part 4 (60 min.) Real Audio, No overlay due to tape change but
can be seen in
00:00 Laurie Spencer
yells at Vice Chief about money
she claims she is owed her.
NOTE, them spending money was never approved by Council.
She then says she was addressing
Council, trying to mock Vice Chief.
02:20 Janet Smith attacks Vice Chief about
tee shirts he personally paid for out of his pocket and where is the money
for them.
NOTE, Vice Chief bought the tees and donated the money to the WC but we
changed our seal and they did not sell. James Ellis knows we gave away the
last of the tees at the previous Powwow but says nothing to stop the
attack.
05:10 Lancer Blair
reads a petition to remove five of
seven officials, They claim they had roughly 100 people signed it but the
petition. NOTE, what
they turned over to the court were typed names (no way to verify), not to
mention there
were minor children, non-members,
and people who do not even know their name was being used
and to even make it worse the petition is not within our
WC Constitution.
This is the first strong sign this was a take over attempt.
Eric Smith whispers something to
Diane Dee.
15:15 Diane Dee
says the people have finally had a
voice. NOTE, The yelling
voices being heard are those who walked away, took records and many others
issues.
17:20 Carlo Carlino speaks
about giving respect.
19:50 Heather Phomsavang (not a Member,
cousin of James Ellis, daughter of Wanda Campbell)
Makes issue of not being allowed
in enrollment by an employee which Council said this employee should not
be responsible for volunteers. Make claim of house being in bad condition
NOTE,
when they rented the house it was the agreement they to fix the home and
only pay $200 per month but soon only paid $100 so the could make repairs.
In on breath Carlo talks about security, then employees opening enrolment
is an issue, he have been taught this is hypocrisy. Our Conclusion is
there was nothing that could be presented to change
anyones
minds.
24:40 Carman McDonald (volunteer)
tries to bring a point of order
with Carlo Carlino.
She brings up the Council being ignored by their motions.
James Ellis
answers and then uses our
Traditional Principals as an excuse.
27:00 Bill Sischo makes comment about Vice
Chief telling the truth that Elders Bea and Elmo was with Laurie Spencer
when she took her files.
NOTE, Bea admitted at a meeting she told Laurie to take them.
28:30 Deana Hennington (friend of Carlo and
Diane) brings the issue she has not
received her card after giving it to Carlo Carlino.
NOTE, she gave it to Carlo
Carlino,
who then gave it to James Ellis.
Ms.
Hennington
blames Vice Chief for this issue.
NOTE, Vice Chief never seen the
information but did contact Shawna Ellis a year before that. (See
email Vice Chief sent Deana Hennington
explaining her card). (See
Mr. Hennington's reply,
not carrying about the truth of who had her information.) This is the
point where they claim EVERYONE turned their backs on us but you can see
this is not true.
37:05 Vice Chief Watson
explains Power of Attorney and
nothing illegal done. NOTE
Carlo Carlino had a phone conversation with Councilwoman Emmons which
explains he was talking on hearsay, Deana Hennington has not been involved
or around in some five years or better.
Vice Chief explains who he has
sacrificed and is hurt how a few people have passed judgment without
evidence. AND how people do not wish to hear the truth when it is sitting
with the Council and they will not allow it to be heard.
40:00 Diane Dee
talks about the people have not
been heard in a long time when they are the ones who walked away. She says
she wants answers to the questions the people are asking but they will not
allow them to be heard.
NOTE, The paper trail she speaks of would be coming from Gail McElfresh,
Geneva Merritt, Shawna Ellis, James Ellis, Vice Chief Watson has turned
over information that he had.
PayPal account is mentioned in the
report on the investigation.
Again they do not want the to hear the truth. This talk comes from a
person that is supposed to be non-judgmental until all evidence is
presented and there was NO EVIDENCE presented that day. The small group
would not allow evidence of Council and Executive Office to be heard.
48:05 Susie Bailey (mother of James Ellis)
(BREAK IN TAPE, can be seen in
August 19, 2006, from the public angle)
48:20 Chief Summers
Susie Bailey cuts into Chief
Summers talking. Chief
Summers talks about accomplishments this administration has been part of
because people are saying nothing is being done,
people interrupt. Susie Bailey
interrupts and says Don't bring religion into this.
51:35 James Gowan (Not a Member)
starts Yelling and saying
Chief Summers is a liar.
51:40 Chief Summers
says there people are a disgrace
for the way they are acting. Chief says he knows what is happening and
Vice Chief is not acting on his own.
Susie Bailey interrupts
54:20 James Ellis
has a comment to make that he is
not tooting his horn but he was part of the acquisition of the properties.
(NOTE, no one said he wasn't, he
is part of the administration. Admits Vice Chief works hard.
56:55 Vice Chief Watson
says he's tired of being treaded
the way he is. James Ellis
does not want to debate that.
James Ellis
says he has a folder of statements
but does not show Council.
57:30 Carlo Carlino
brings up the so-called
intimidation Vice Chief made to a member.
NOTE,
Read original email which Carlo
refers to which siad there could be legal issues about charging an
employee in a slanderous way and in public, asking an attorney would be a
good idea.
54:20 James Ellis
claims he did not start the
Petition but the first of it being known to the public was send by Geneva
Merritt, which was forwarded from James Ellis.
August 19,
2006, part 5 (60 min.) Real Audio
00:00 James Ellis CONTINUED on the
petition. He claims he did not start the petition.
NOTE,
Petition sent by email shows
it started with James Ellis, to Geneva Merritt, to members which sent it
to the Chief and Vice Chief showing they felt the charges James Ellis sent
out was
the political back biting and the
"rumor mill" that is being fed by such rude and non Native behavior..
James Ellis
says his due process was violated
and people were upset
01:00 Vice Chief Watson
brings it to the attention that
James Ellis used the Voter Registration List after resigning from the
Election Board to contact people to gain him support.
02:45 James Ellis
admits he sent the letters and
says he is entitled to the list. James Ellis says the letter did not
mention specific names, it only mentions specific details.
NOTE, read
letter from James Ellis with
allegations, naming
specific people and has no merit.
04:35 Vice Chief Watson
mentions Council has been ignored
and is told Council was out of order. Out of order someone asks who
has the Power of Attorney.
05:00 Chief Summers
replies
NOTE, (approx.
4 1/2 hours into a meeting, approx. 3:00 pm and Chief Summers still
present)
05:20 Carlo Carlino
goes into the Power of Attorney
and how he could turn over his control. Vice
Chief states the POA is limited and cannot be used without Chief Summers
ok on every issue. We do not see the Court seeing anything wrong in the
POA when the judge signed three court orders demanding them to turn
property over. Things get out of hand
07:45 James Ellis calls for
break without a vote of Council. The take over group and
Susie Bailey and Wanda
Campbell (admits on this video she was
not a member, aunt of James Ellis) starts yelling.
17:20 James Ellis calls meeting back
to order.
17:50 Gail McElfresh (treasurer on
suspension) brings up what
she wanted which was not approved by Council.
NOTE, no evidence of wrongdoing
was brought forward that day and today, a year later no evidence has been
brought forward.
19:20 Roberta Miller
shows Gail
McElfresh's
allegations have no basis from her experiences. Roberta mentions she
talked with Ms. McElfresh and her comments allegations were not true.
Roberta clears up that Vice Chief was not the reason she resigned as
treasurer, it was
Lisa Thompson
that told her to come get the paperwork herself.
Susie Bailey cut in.
26:10 James Ellis says he does not
know what to do.
26:20 Geneva Merritt
makes a motion for Council to take
care of it.
26:40 Diane Dee
says it is good to have heard the
voice of the people. Talks about council walking out of the room after all
their motions have been ignored. Asks that thing be done in an honorable
way. Vice Chief Watson
mentions the Recall Hearing for
James Ellis and Gail McElfresh,
she replies I asked you to do the
honorable way and step down.. Vice Chief says
he will pray about it.
28:20 Carlo Carlino
says he offered to step down if
our Chief, Vice Chief, and James Ellis step down. Mentions something about
all of Council stepping down.
NOTE, this would let people like
Tim Spencer, Laurie Spencer and others who have done things that put the
Western Cherokee in jeopardy. (Carlo
points at Chief, approx. 3:30 pm and Chief Summers still present)
He has offered to step down on several occasions.
36:50 Deana Hennington apologizes
to Vice Chief and gives him credit for the donation of the Van. She admits
she turned her back on the Western Cherokee leadership.
Admits Vice Chief has never
wronged her.
40:10 Vice Chief Watson
speaks if he does decides to
resign. Mentions his background of General Contracting and doing things
right, in a professional way. Speaks on how he is hurt.
Diane Dee
says they have been waiting to
hear the charges.
44:25 Vernon Strickland (member)
asks to hear from Elder Horton, he
recommends to put things off to the next meeting.
45:00 Elder Horton
mentions allegations and if they
have merit. Mentions the good things that have been brought out way with
Chief Summers and Vice Chief Watson. How egos get in the way, and wants
everyone to think about this. Someone asks
about the trash bags.
48:35 Geneva Merritt
says she brought in the trash.
NOTE, After several minutes there
is nothing found leading to Vice Chief doing wrong. Items in there were of
Enrollment, Shawna Ellis and Geneva Merritt. Election which is James Ellis
and Geneva Merritt. Heather Phomsavang (not a
Member, cousin of James Ellis, daughter of Wanda Campbell) and
Wanda Campbell
(not a member, aunt of James Ellis)
starts arguing and yelling. They
try to blame Vice Chief for what was going on in enrollment and elections
that he had no control over.
NOTE, Nothing of importance is found nothing is said about Vice Chief
Ordering the trash to be thrown away as they have publicly claimed.
Lisa Thompson admits she is the
one who discovers the trash and it is always shredded.
NOTE, Here is the big question, IF
Vice Chief was tampering with elections and enrollment, why did he have it
thrown in the trash when there is a shredder and there would be NO
evidence.
54:00 Carlo Carlino
documents need to be filed.
Everything becomes disorderly and
no order is called by James Ellis. They are yelling and people are walking
around, no truth can be found in this kind of environment. NOTE, it is
starting to get late, the room is getting dark.
August 19, 2006, part 6 (60 min.) Real Audio
00:00 Meeting is still in disorder at approx. 4:30 PM, trash is
being picked up. NOTE, Within the
first 5 seconds
Chief Summers voice can be heard
which shows he was still present.
02:00 VIDEO TAPE IS CHANGED
02:15 Carlo Carlino
mentions the recall on the table
and brings up the resignations. Investigations need to be impartial,
some of the allegations are true, some are not, some are half truths.
Management of the office is not what it could be.
NOTE, (Chief Summers and Vice
Chief has been blocked by James Ellis and Gail McElfresh every time he
tried to get the office running better)
07:25 Carlo Carlino
points at
Chief Summers which shows he was still present.
Carlo brings up the Elders should know with investigations.
NOTE, some Elders were being
investigated due to all the times some of them covered for James Ellis.
Carlo says he does not support banishment.
15:00 Chief Summers leaves around
4:45 to get back to take care ofa sick family member.
15:15 Vice Chief Watson
asks that if he steps down he hope
more respect is given to the next person who may take his place. Admits he
is direct and at times hard to get along with. Vice Chief mentions that
one on Council said that if one of them cannot be at a meeting, none of
them would be. He has asked for enrollment to do things right and how Gail
tried taking over enrollment. Vice Chief doesn't think people listen to
the things they do not want to hear.
21:30 Elder Horton
says he has never seen Vice
Chief has never done anything intentionally wrong. James Ellis is
shaking his head and says he is biting his tongue. How are we going to
open the offices.
26:35 Vice Chief Watson
will not be badgered by anyone to
speak for another person, he cannot speak for others (reference to James
Ellis demanding information of the Power of Attorney). They need to speak
to the person directly. People need to stop using hearsay as a way to gain
what they want.
36:50 Adrian (volunteers more than most
members) Asks were the people were creating the problems today.
were have they been when help was needed. There is allot of devotion from
a few people and actions speak louder than words.
He will not have his children
around people who were like those that were here earlier.
32:20 Geneva Merritt
the first thing we need to do is
open the office. Vice Chief
says we need to find a way to work
this out and security is an issue. Carlo
does not want anyone to make a
decision anyone is uncomfortable with. Diane Dee says she is ready to walk
away from this mess.
35:30 Vice Chief Watson
mentions the book retired Elder
donated to the Western Cherokee that she said was given to James Ellis.
Vice Chief asks James Ellis if he has it,
James Ellis says no, he
only has the book he bought from her. Again
Carlo says things which
lean toward supporting James Ellis.
NOTE, Over the years Carlo has
mentioned he gave thing to the Western Cherokee but would not say who he
gave them to, here Carlo says he did not donate them.
James Ellis asks for his
property that he never went to pick up, making excuses.
39:20 Elder Horton
asks that we shake hands,
James Ellis
says he will not shake Vice Chiefs
hand, he claims he done this twice in the past and Vice Chief violated it.
41:20 James Ellis
says he tried talking with people
and he is being charged (recall) for not doing this.
NOTE, NO allegations has has ever
been placed on the agenda on issue mentioned by him and his associated.
Claims Vice Chief insulted his
family.
42:55 Vice Chief Watson
asks if James Ellis is late for
most everything he says he will be there for,
James Ellis explains and
says he will not shake hands with Vice Chief. That his family has been
disrespected. NOTE, James
Ellis is ignoring the disrespected he has shown our Chef, Council and
others on this day.
45:55 Carlo Carlino
talks about finding resolution and
James needs to work towards that, a sincere talk about getting things
worked out. Tells James Ellis if he cannot, he needs to step down now.
James Ellis
says he has to get his
wife's permission.
55:00 Carlo Carlino
makes a comment,
so Quite Bear (James Ellis) will
be stepping down,
James Ellis
says he is waiting for his wife,
everyone waits for his answer.
August 19, 2006, part 7 (60 min.) Real Audio
00:00 Meeting is not order.
05:40 James Ellis
walks over to where everyone is.
Handshake takes place. James Ellis tells Council and others he will not
work with or talk with Vice Chief. Therefore he violated his handshake
immediately.
10:00 Carlo Carlino
asks that the rubber stamp stop
being used (Chief Summers signature).
Vice Chief asks if he read the
Power of Attorney, Carlo
says no. Evidence Chief Summers did NOT
RESIGN.
NOTE, NO ONE ON ELLIS'S
SIDE WANTED TO SEE OT HEAR THE TRUTH ON THE POA, IT HAD RESTRICTIONS THAT
WERE VERY STRINGENT
14:00 Carlo Carlino
asks for vote, Council does not
take a vote on the issue.
19:00 James Ellis
SAYS HE IS GOING HOME
NOTHING IS SAID TO GIVE THE IDEA VICE CHIEF WATSON HAD RESIGNED.
DEFENDANTS CHANGED THEIR STORY FROM VICE CHIEF BEING REMOVED TO HE
RESIGNED.
Over the next week Geneva Merritt tells Vice Chief to
unlock the door when Council had not found a solution to how this was to be
done.
Video Clip of how we believe they broke
into our office on August, 27, 2006
After the Office was emptied out. (9 min.) The offices were locked in
July due
to James Ellis refusing to abide by Council Directive and the recall charges filed on him but
then they claim they had a key to open the door to remove your records
from a locked office.
