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Organized Vs Unorganized

John Watson has served as Vice Chief/President for the past five years and is a proven leader with a common sense approach.

What are the fundamental differences between the thinking of the Plaintiffs and the Defendants, see below for the differences between being a Organized Group Vs. an Unincorporated Association being an unorganized group.

As we go into this election it looks like you have a choice based on organized or unorganized officials. It was never thought that we would be taking sides in an election based on Plaintiffs as an organized group and Defendants wanting as an unorganized group.

Our court filing, the Plaintiffs was based as an organized group under State Law. The court has ruled in our favor three times and would not entertain their filing as an unorganized association.
 
The Western Cherokee was setup to be legally organized group, today some people are trying to change this. Read Articles of the Pros and Cons of being a Corporation vs. Unincorporated Association before you decide which side of the fence you wish to be on, Organized Group or Unincorporated Association which makes you much more liable. At the bottom of this page you can research this for yourself:
 
NOW IT IS YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE A CHOICE FOR OUR FUTURE, WHO DO YOU WANT REPRESENTING YOU, THOSE WHO WANT US TO BE ORGANIZED, the Plaintiffs OR THOSE WHO WANT US TO BE UNORGANIZED the Defendants? Read the pros and cons below.

PROS and CONS

Being Organized and having a legal entity recognized by the State protects you the people in the following ways:

Being Organized means doing business as a Non-Profit or for Profit until or if we are Federally Recognized.

As an Organized group we will be protecting the membership, individual officers and directors and from personal liability.

Being Organized is often a prerequisite to obtaining private grants or government funding. Donors are more likely to contribute financially to tax-exempt, not-for-profit corporations.
 
We believe in working in a way that will protect us and allow the Western Cherokee to be able to purchase insurance as a group to protect us from accidents and liabilities if one would occur. 
 
As an Organized group the Western Cherokee would be known as a legal entity in all legal issues. Your elected officials will be able to deal with legal issues that are always part of doing any business of any kind
 
Being organized, recognizes the Western Cherokee as a legal entity and we are protected by our Constitution, By-laws and the State.

By the Western Cherokee being recognized as a Non-Profit Corporation we are protected under the Volunteer Protection Laws. This protect us if a volunteer would do something that could harm us.
 
By being organized only the corporation would be liable for all taxes and income.

As a Organized group it is understood who owns it and what it is for, no one can make claim to it.

As an organized group with the State nothing could be sold, transferred, dissolved, unless it was done legally.
 

Being an Unincorporated Association has the following problems associated with what the Defendant and their Associates want the Western Cherokee to be seen as: Proof is in their filing with the court Click Here to read (pfd)
 
Being a
Unincorporated Association means you are doing business more as individuals, not as a group. We would not have a legal entity for the State to recognize us as.

Unincorporated Association have a hard time getting state, federal or private funding and individuals are less likely to donate when the group is not tax exempt.

As an Unorganized group the membership, individual officers and directors can be personally liability if an action was brought about against the Western Cherokee.

Being a Unincorporated Association would mean you have to form a trust or put property in the name/s of individuals or another corporation.

Being unorganized there in NO reliable and consistent set of rules concerning formation, administration and governance, which lets people do what they want went they want and creates difficulties and uncertainty when questions arise as to how things are to be done.

Being  Unincorporated Association would make it difficult for the Western Cherokee to gain insurance and expensive if a company would insure us and still could hold the membership personally liable.
 
As an Unorganized group they are willing to Risk the membership, individual officers and directors personally if the Western Cherokee is ever sued.
 
As an Unincorporated Association there is NO legal entity called the Western Cherokee to enter into a legal action if one would arise, as there is always something happen when doing business of any kind.

By them filing as an Unincorporated Association all our members could be personally responsible for someone having an accident while they are doing (volunteering) something for the Western Cherokee.

By being an Unincorporated Association members could be personally responsible for income taxes.

As an Unincorporated Association, anyone can take claim to Western Cherokee properties and possibly put them in their names if there is no corporation.

As a Unincorporated Association members could be personally responsible for debts, taxes etc. If the elected officers ever wanted to dissolve everything it would leave it up to the individual to personally fight for what is supposed to belong to the people. You would have NO laws to protect the people.
 
Those that want have filed, as an Unincorporated Association and their associates who do NOT want us to be seen as a legal entity in any way by the State:

NOW IT IS YOUR TIME TO MAKE A CHOICE, WHO DO YOU WANT REPRESENTING YOU, THOSE WHO WANT US TO BE ORGANIZED, the Plaintiffs OR THOSE WHO WANT US TO BE UNORGANIZED the Defendants?

Those who supports the Western Cherokee as a Organized Group?

President/Chief: John Watson,
Vice President/Vice Chief: Ron Quick
 
Treasurer: Roberta Miller

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Board/Council: Jeff Cover, Barb Emmons, Cynthia Cooper,
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Those who do NOT support us being organized but supports the Western Cherokee as a Unincorporated Association?
James Ellis, Lisa Thompson, Eric Smith Janet Smith, Fran Rutherford, Bill Sischo, Diane Dee, James Gowan, Gail McElfresh, Geneva Merritt, Wanda Campbell, Larnce (Larry) Bailey, Lancer Blair, Laurie Spencer, Estelle B. Foster, Carlo Carlino, Wanda Campbell, Tim Spencer, Ron (RollingThunder) Clark, James (Little Chief) Gowan

Benefits of Tax-Exempt, Not-For-Profit Status

The primary benefits of tax-exempt, not-for-profit status are financial. All or most of the money made by a tax-exempt, not-for-profit corporation is free from federal, state, and local taxation, so the organization can devote a larger share of its funds to the purpose for which it was formed. Furthermore, not-for-profit status is often a prerequisite to obtaining private grants or government funding. Donors are more likely to contribute financially to tax-exempt, not-for-profit corporations than to non-exempt organizations because donors can write off the donations on their tax returns. In addition to tax benefits, there may be low-cost postage and advertising rates available to not-for-profit organizations, and many retail stores offer reduced rates to nonprofits and their employees. As with all other businesses, nonprofits are open to lawsuits and liability for the way they conduct themselves. Organizing as a not-for-profit corporation can shield the individuals who run the organization from personal liability for organizational debts.

The often-overlooked advantages of forming a tax-exempt, not-for-profit organization are the internal benefits that the organization gains when required to commit to writing its management structure and corporate purpose. Many nonprofits start out as a small group of committed persons working toward a definite goal. Having to think through the organization's purposes and management procedures can bring clarity, focus, commitment, and structure at an early stage in the organization's life. These qualities can be invaluable as the organization grows, takes on new projects, and adds new members, or if internal disputes arise.

 

See Organized Group above - See Unincorporated Association

 

The Western Cherokee was setup to be organized, today some people are trying to change this. Read Articles of the Pros and Cons of being a Corporation vs. Unincorporated Association before you decide which side of the fence you wish to be on, Organized Group above or Unincorporated Association which makes you much more liable:

Venable LLP, Considerations for Determining whether Association Chapters Should Incorporate.

You Want Protection From Personal Liability for the Group's Activities If your group finds itself the target of a lawsuit, incorporation can provide welcome peace of mind. Nonprofit corporations can be sued -- but their members and directors are generally protected from personal liability, meaning that their own money, houses, cars, or other property isn't at risk. That's not true of an unincorporated association.

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF KANSAS In the absence of a statute to the contrary, an unincorporated association is not a legal entity and can neither sue nor be sued in the name of the association.

Find Law.com, At common law in Missouri, an unincorporated association lacked legal capacity because it "possessed no status apart from the persons comprising it and was not an entity."

Find Law.com Conflict of Laws: Full Faith and Credit: Foreign Judgment against Unincorporated Association after Local Court Has Ordered Suits Stayed Pending Liquidation of Assets.

Baptist To Baptist, Missouri Convention Asks Court to Nullify Breakaway Charters of 5 Entities. The question with the Western Cherokee is, who is the breakaway group?

Missouri Law RSMo 562.056 Liability of corporations and unincorporated associations. Read above again and see who could be held liable as an Corporate vs. Unincorporated Association.

MISSOURI SUPREME COURT RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE On Corporation, Partnership or Other Unincorporated Association. Upon a domestic or foreign corporation or upon a partnership or other unincorporated association, when it may be sued as such,

Illinois Associations & Nonprofit Law While many nonprofit associations benefit from forming not-for-profit corporations, small, local, or labor organizations tend to prefer an unincorporated association format.

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